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When the Cop Says Stop
What do you do when you know your area's bike laws, but the police don't?
ByBob Mionske
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A few months ago, I received a phone call from a cyclist with an incredible story about an incident in Lawrence County, Ohio. Because the cyclist-a guy named Tony Patrick-was in need of an attorney, I hooked him up with Steve Magas, a contributing author to Bicycling & the Law, and a well-known bicycling attorney in Ohio. After hearing Tony's story, Steve took his case. More about that later; first, let me tell you about Tony.


Weekdays, Tony runs his small construction company in Huntington, West Virginia. Weeknights, and weekends, Tony, a Cat 2 racer, can often be found hanging out at Jeff's Bike Shop-that is, when he's not out on a training ride, or racing. And that's not unusual; Jeff's Bike Shop is the center of a vibrant racing scene in Huntington, the second-largest city in West Virginia, and the home of Marshall University.


That racing scene means regular training rides, all of which start out and end up at Jeff's. There's a ride every other day, each geared to a different set of riders, but the real hammerfest is the Tuesday night ride. That's the ride where the locals try, as Tony puts it, to hurt each other over the course of a 23-34 mile route that takes them across the Ohio River, into the back roads of southern Ohio, before looping back across the river into Huntington.


And that's how Tony found himself just outside of Chesapeake, Ohio, one Tuesday night in August of 2008, heading into town to take the bridge back across to Huntington. Tony was riding with "Ryan," a then-16 year old nationally-ranked racer with a 4.2 GPA. ["Ryan" is a pseudonym; I've concealed his identity because he's a minor.]


That night, Tony and Ryan were a little tired from a hard training ride the night before, so they decided to take the shorter route. Thus, as they headed into Chesapeake, they were separated from the peloton. Just outside the town limits, they passed the library. Exactly what happened from this point forward is the subject of dispute. Both Tony and Ryan say they were the only two people on the road. But they weren't alone-in the library parking lot was a Lawrence County Sheriff's Deputy. Over the course of several interviews for this story, Tony and Ryan told their side of what happened. The Deputy's account of what happened is contained in his written report of his encounter with the two cyclists, and in his later testimony at a hearing before a judge, nearly five months after the events that occurred on that August evening.


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Interesting story Bob... seems to show that when hopped up on the adrenalin of a ride, it might be better to mitigate the potential of a run-in when near the OH/WV state line, by accommodating the "Cop" and stop. The more interesting thing for me as a Canadian is to take this article to an authority on the laws of Ontario (or other province) and sort out what the laws of the road here happen to be. I understand for example, that riding two-up 'and' impeding traffic is illegal in Ontario... but now I don't 'know' that for sure. I do know however, that riding 'two-up and impeding traffic' could be bad for my health, for the cycling community's image, and could be illegal. Will check and comment later. Thanx for the article... in my miles, I have had nothing but good relations with the Cops... can't say that about the various drivers with whom I have had altercations.
The law enforcement officer has committed several crimes, and should be charged and tried under 18 USC 241 and the other provisions of Chapter 13. St. John v McColley shows that -- when a crime is not committed -- a police officer's qualified immunity can be pierced by his unlawful actions. The two men need to consult with attorneys for civil remedies against this police officer. Drawing a duty gun on unarmed men is plain wrong. His life was not in danger.
The officer did not draw his duty gun. The rider Tony thought he did but as he got closer realized it was a tazer. I hate he said/she said cases. Both sides have reason to lie, and both have their own honest, but different, recollections of the events. That said, the officer sounds like a jerk and Tony sounds like an immature guy with a chip on his shoulder. If I were riding with a 16 year old, I would have singled up on the first instruction by the officer. I just feel like the adult should assume some responsibility for the minor's safety, and there were multiple opportunities for Tony to defuse the situation. I'm curious why on a story this detailed there was no mention of what the bystander's accounts were. It's a little hard to picture the Ohio Kung-Fu Cop kicking the cell phone out of Ryan's hand. As a federal investigator who bikes (and who's kids bike), I recommend always following an officer's direction, regardless of whether it has to do with biking or not. If the direction is unlawful or unjust, you can always seek remedy later, but rarely does any good come from thumbing your nose at police officers.
In my few decades of cycling thousands of miles per year, I have only been stopped once. I blew through a red light on Massachusetts Avenue in Boston. I never did anything so stupid again. Other than that, never been stopped by police. Ridden past and through groups of them, in every sort of situation, in New York City, Boston, and Tokyo, and never a problem. I don't know what you all are doing to catch the attention of police officers, and I'm not saying there aren't plenty of cases of unreasonable law enforcement, but maybe you should think more about safety than your assumed right to do whatever you damn well please with total disregard for other people.
The only time a local cop was half way respectable to me was when I was pulled over using my skate assist invention called the PegasusWheel. I suspect he was repectful because the TruTV crew was with him and he had no choice. He let me off with some advice but the TruTV crew interviewd me for a good hlaf hour or more than asked me to go down the strip again for more footage. I have seen the local traffic judge so many times with bogus tickets that now when he sees me me he simply asks. "bike or skates?" I tell hime which one, he dismissed the ticket and thats the end of it. 6 tickets tottal in the last 20 years and I have disputed and beat them all.I have a 7th one I will be disputing in March. I am an extremely safe cyclist. I have more lights than most cars and I make sure I am seen day and night. I ride a home built recumbent with leaning sidecar so that in itself is very visible. 4 tail lights and a red LED scrol sign. 5 head lights, break lights turnsignals, ground affects lights and monkey lights on my rear wheel. I make sure Iam visible and I ride as often as I can where there is less traffic. But the cops like to pull poeple over for nor real reason. I can understrnad their curiosity but dont make me late for work. Velonaut
Officers that lack the following suck and should be fired: 1. The ability to sound educated 2. The ability to read and comprehend 3. Knowledge of the law 4. Professionalism 5. The ability to own up to mistakes 6. Humility
That's a great idea except for the resulting loss of 40% of the police forces in the country, just from applying your criteria #3, #4, and #6. The shortage of officers might raise wages and thus eventually attract more qualified candidates, but perhaps not enough to replace the original 40%.
If I was alone on my bike and stopped by this officer, I would do the same thing I would do if stopped in my car by an unmarked police car---call 911 ask for another police.I would let the officer know that I'm calling 911. btw I am a woman.
I don't even have a cell phone, and yes I'm a woman too. I live in a college town and during spring break, ie college students and all schools were on break ... not many people in town. I was riding home from the grocery store. There is a bike lane which I was in until a couple of blocks from my driveway. At which point there is a downhill ... earlier I didn't realize it was much of a hill, but when I waited until about a block from my driveway to get into the turn lane, a car got right on behind and stayed there until I signaled a left turn, I didn't see them until they were on me ... so after that I started getting into the turn lane earlier. I've seen cars that live on both sides of me get into the turn land about the same time, the cops don't seem to have a problem with them. It was about 8pm on Sat. night and a cop comes up behind me and throws on the lights and gets on the PA and says if I don't get in the bike lane right that second he will right be up! I explain that I need to turn left soon. He says stuff like "we spent alot of money putting in the bike lane for you". I kept calling him "sir" and stating my case ... I didn't even get to explain about there's a hill. He speed off with lights on and as fast as he could ... therefore I couldn't see his car # or any other way to identify him ... he knew he was in the wrong! I live in GA and unless your local gov. passes a local ordinace after their ordinace it's illegal to ride on the sidewalk. Before this it was legal to ride on the sidewalks in Athens, GA ... expect downtown, after it, it's now only legal to ride on the sidewalks if you are 12 or under. I wish they would make these cops compute on a bike so that they might understand. In Athens, GA there are cops on a bike that patrol dowtown ... not much traffic. They need to spend more time in traffic on a bike! Ride a mile on my bike. I've always said their are 2 types of cops, those that want to help people ... those are the one's I'm friends with, and the others that want control.
I would always let the LEO do his/her job, and address it afterwards, with time to think it all through and with access to resources, beyond my own clouded/frustrated mind (at the time). I was a top cyclist/runner/triathlete in a (small) foreign country 25 years ago. One Sunday, after a morning cycling race, I warmed down mid-afternoon with a ride with my wife. A policeman pulled us over on his motorcycle and ticketed us (each) under some ancient statute (50+ years?!?)that required all road vehicles have a working warning device. No exemption had ever been introduced for bicycles. We took our tickets and said good day. The next day I faxed the tickets to a friend and fellow cyclist who worked in the same police force, along with my "pledge" to take them (and my story) to the press by the end of the week. It took him a couple of days of working with higher ups but (a) the tickets were taken care of; and (b) the police were to work some guidance into the staff communiques not to bother ticketing cyclists for lack of "bells and horns". Resolved well, all around. Of course, I couldn't help showing up for the next training ride with the group, ringing loudly my brand new and huge bell mounted on my bike as I approached the regular meeting spot!
God Bless Bob Mionske! and God Help The People of Chesapeake, Ohio.
There's a great Chris Rock video on youtube for how to deal with the police. Follow it exactly regardless. Once free of the situaton and you are in control again do what you need to do.
When I was 14 my father taught me that some cops want to prove his authority. Since then, I never disagreed to a police officer. To my surprise even when I was really wrong they released me. Releasing me was the way they had to demonstrate his power again, since I offered no resistance. On the other hand, we have to also understand that the job of a cop is hard, and cyclists with expensive bikes can be annoying. I ride a $10,000 specialized mtb here in Brazil. Last year I was driving my car with the bike on the rack then a cop ask me to stop. He said my bike was hiding my licence plate, and he was right. I replied: "Yes sir, you are right. I apologise and I will fix, sir". He let me go and just said "fix it as soon as possible" and "nice bike". A friend of mine, does not believe as I have not received even a fine. But if I had chosen to confront him, oh yes I would be creating a problem. He could ask for anything like the receipt of the bicycle, check my headlights, or even hold my car! This prevents a silly turn a big problem. Cheers from Brazil.
As a cyclist, an advocate, a trail builder, a volunteer, and a police officer lets get one thing straight from the get go. I prefer to be called a police officer or Dave, which is how I (Dave) introduce myself. Just as I do not want to be put into a category with officers of the law that make bad choices, cyclists should not want to be put into a category with cyclists that have not obeyed the law. I have no opinion of what happened in this situation, I was not there! It has it has been my experience (police officer and father) that most people will tell the truth as "they" see it. This will vary from person to person depending on thier views and experiences, but it may not a lie. Lets try, for a moment, to step back and view each person's perception. Perhaps the officer thought she was right, perhaps the cyclists thought he was right...WE were not there. As an officer if I tell a child molester to stop should I explain to them why I want them stop? Or do you, as a society want an officer to be able to stop them. If there is a violation of your civil rights, which I as an officer am obligated to uphold wait to report it after the contact. Please comply, the job of a police officer is already pretty tough. Thank You :)
I have known & do know quite a few police officers. I even have a few (i'll call them friends) on the force. They are all on an ego trip. They all think they are (in charge). And if you were to ride with them long enough, you would see it come out. The only reason they want (accept) their job is because of their ego...they want to be in control...there is absolutely no other reason to have a law enforcement job. Yeah, I know that some of you are going to say that they just want to stop the law breakers and to serve and protect the public...what a (expletive) joke. The public usually needs protecting from the law. And no, I tried calling the law...they either said that the law was not being broken or that they couldn't do anything about it. So, I will (never) call the law again. I am very capable of handling my problems. As to cyclists, I have met some very courteous & law abiding ones, but I have also met some very unprofessional ones as well. I have a bicycle & enjoy riding, but I am very wary of riding in motorized traffic. Even if you are in (don't) feel very good to be "dead in the right", or even injured. I have only read one comment that made any sense & that was the comment from "Serge". If a police officer can't be impeccable in his job, then he should resign. "it ain't right to (pull) someone over 'cause you (think) they are breaking the've got to know or you don't stop them". And, if you can't know or remember all the statutes...carry a book or something with all of them in it with you. I am a professional person & I know that I can't retain (it) all...therefore I carry reference books or a computer full of info. I don't do something & hope that i'm right and i'm just working with inanimate objects...(not people). Inanimate objects can't feel pain, but humans can & do! Think about this next time, (police officer), before you abuse someone. I hope you've all noticed that I have at no time refereed to to a police officer as a "cop". It's not out of respect, but because they are police officers. For me to respect a person, they have to earn & keep earning my respect...certainly not because of their job. Well, come on, let's have some foolish remarks to my comments. Always remember this..."you can not reason with a fool".
Wow. I am absolutely amazed at so many of the replies from the LEOs here. But, I do agree that the guy should have stopped. The problem in general is that the no one polices the police. This has been a problem for civil society since at least the time of Plato and Socrates. Plato asked, "Who will protect us from the protectors?" or, in Latin, "quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" , as Juvenal later put it. That question is still as relevant today as ever. Perhaps more so, with society's diminishing tolerance for the abuse of power.
I used to live there years ago. You have got to understand how clannish Appalachia still is to truly get this story in perspective. If you jerk around with LE there, you are gonna pay the price, even more so than other places I have lived. A few friends and I liked to ride our motorcycles at night (general drivers are horrible there, night is safer) and we never raced or did stupid kid stuff. It was just guys out for summer rides. Our group was pulled over in downtown Ashland and told to leave by the city policeman. No one in our group was belligerent or disrespectful, we all were locals and knew better. I asked for his supervisor and he wrote me a ticket for no eye protection (my helmet visor was raised), then said "Shall we continue?" In the end we left, I pursued it in the court system (the ticket was thrown out but only because the officer didn't show) but it's indicative of the way of life there. Does the story surprise me? Not at all, but I can't help but wonder why the riders didn't immediately stop. Whether or not they are right, they freaking KNOW how things are around there. If you piss off an LEO, you are gonna get lumps. I've seen it many times, it's one reason I left. I have a couple of friends who are policemen, I understand the job is tough. I also understand that life in the tri-state area is deeply ingrained with the hillbilly mentality and laws are enforced through the lens of that mindset. If you live there you know, and if you are moving there you'll find that out soon enough.
I had to laugh when I read this posting. That attitude is not restricted to Appalachia. It's in Los Angeles San Fernando Valley, too. Not long ago, I rode my bicycle to my medical appointment at a large medical campus, nearby. I entered the driveway from the street, working my way through the large parking lot to the building where my doctor was. A rent-a-cop whistled to catch my attention and then screamed at me to get off my bicycle. Since he was across the lot from me, and behind a row of cars, I rode over to him. He ordered me to get off my bicycle. It was illegal to ride inside the parking lot and on the driveways. I asked him where I could ride my bicycle on this facility's grounds. He replied that I had to ride on the sidewalk. Wow. When I said that was illegal, he told me to walk my bike onto the nearby walkway and not ride it in the parking lot. Well, I was off my bike and politely asked him if he would please put his order in writing so that I could better understand him and his reasoning. I handed him a pocket notebook and a pen. Believe it or not, he wrote his order down, and signed and dated it when I asked him too. Amazing! So I walked directly to the customer relations office and lodged my complaint. I'm seventy-four, and have been riding a bicycle of some kind for close to seventy of those years. I had a folding bicycle aboard the ship in our WestPac cruise in the summer of 1955 and carried it ashore and rode it on liberty all over Japan, Korea, Hong Kong, India, Ceylon (now Sri Lanka) and South Vietnam in Saigon, Okinawa while it was still under US jurisdiction, and Darwin on a south of the equator port call. And yes, I could outrun the pedicabs, both pedal and the two-stroke putt-putts on it. I still have it and pull it out every once in a while. I also still ride my Cycle-Art restored, 1952 Raleigh Sports that I bought on Halloween Night, 1952. So I really do know the laws as they have evolved, from Wyoming to California. The young woman in the office was helpful in handling my complaint. She copied the page from my notebook and asked me to wait while she contacted the chief of their security. A couple of minutes later, she called to me and gave me a page written by the facility's head honcho in customer relations, and the chief of their security. Both said that the officer had misunderstood his instructions. I was welcome to ride my bicycle, in a safe manner and with due regard to pedestrians, anywhere on the facility where it was legal to do so. They agreed that I was right not to ride on the sidewalks as the security officer had ordered. They apologized for the inconvenience, then complimented me on my health-conscious activity. Sometimes, you can steal a march on these duffusses that have too much authority and too little common sense.
foolish is this post.
A few years ago an out of state driver, kept harassing our group ride. The roadway does not have a shoulder and we ride single file in the section. Still it is difficult to pass 20 riders. There is a center turn lane that most/all drivers move into as they go around us. 15 years of this ride and we never have an issue. This guy wanted to stay in his lane and twice swerved to brush against us. About 4 days later, he does the same thing, and then gets stopped at the traffic light. One rider went up to driver door and pretty well lost it on the guy. At that point the driver pulled a gun and pointed it at the rider from inside the car. I called the town police upon reaching home, and filled a complaint with the driver and had his license plate number. The next day we pass him on the road. He is pulled over and is outside the car with his hands on the hood and getting arrested for a concealed weapon charge, and informed not to pass through the town again. It is nice to have them around when you need them. Easy Rider is no fun, and a bunch of firemen and police are cyclists as well
I am a cyclist and a lawyer who defends ordinary criminal defendants, as well as lots of cops. That does not mean I automatically side with the police. To the contrary, I have often had police officers sit across from my desk and explain why they arrested someone, or why they used force, and I have to do my best not to roll my eyes. In my experience, most interactions between the police and civilians start with a cop honestly -- although perhaps mistakenly -- believing someone is breaking the law. The seldom have the time or inclination to harass people for no reason at all. Of course, the officer may be entirely mistaken about the legal basis for his or her intervention, or may misperceive a situation for the same reasons we all misperceive situations. But in Canada where I live, and in most US jurisdictions, the power to detain is not dependent on the police officer being ultimately correct about the legality of the suspect's conduct. Rather, a police officer can detain on reasonable and probable grounds that the suspect is committing illegal conduct. There is a gap between the powers of a police to arrest, and the conduct that would justify a finding of guilt on the part of the citizen. Taking all these things together, if the police order a cyclist (or anyone) to stop, the prudent and civil response is to stop. You can explain your side of the story more easily if you are having a civilized stationary conversation, and stopping is respectful, even if not required by law. Some may say that we have no obligation to be respectful for an officer issuing an unlawful order. That is probably correct in strict point of law, but it is far from correct from the perspective of civility and courtesy. Once stopped, the cop may be persuaded not to issue a ticket. If he or she issues one anyway, then go to court. Or, given the cost of the ticket compared to your other cycling expenses, just pay it on the "shit happens" principle, and get on with your life.
You won't ever win over a motorist by giving them the bird. Similarly, you will not win an argument with an aggressive cop on the road. This is why courtrooms were invented and section 1983 (1st, 4th, and 14th amendment rules and excessive force suits) exist. Stay calm and cool. Note things around you like video cameras from ATMs, the cruiser, and so on so you can request that they protect and/or provide the evidence. The dispatch log will show where they were headed and why and also what they reported in about you. The biggest part of the problem is cop culture that insists upon "controlling" every situation. If they would spend more time talking to people, rather than barking orders at them and escalating conflicts with the force continuum, then a lot fewer problems would occur with otherwise law abiding citizens. And before you speak up, I'm the guy who has to defend the lawsuits against you when you grab taser, stick, or just "secure" a person in an overly assertive fashion. Take a tip and read "Verbal Judo" and learn some techniques on non-force conflict resolution. Next, realize that juries are not made up of cops. We value and respect the difficult jobs you do, but every act of this type alienates a large amount of the population. Think about it.
If they stopped, "What would have happened?" Probably; No arrest, No charges, No taser!!! Could the officer handled it better, definitely!! But most states have laws that a person must submit to an officer regardless whether lawful or not!!
I had a somewhat similar incident quite a few years ago when I lived in FL. I was on a training ride heading north along 3rd street south in St. Petersburg. As I approached a four-way stop sign I noticed a police car in the lot on the opposite corner. Because of the car's presence, I made sure to come to a complete stop before turning right. I stopped completely, but did not unclip or put my foot down. There was no other traffic so I proceeded on my way. I remember thinking to myself how happy I was that I noticed the police car and had come to a complete stop. As I rode on the street around Albert Whitted field in downtown St. Pete I heard a siren and thought "that policeman must be bagging someone" but continued my ride. Then I heard a voice on a PA system say "Hey you on the bike, pull it over". At this point I stopped and complied with the officer's request. When the officer get out of the cruiser and approached me, I asked, very politely, if they could explain why I was being asked to stop. I was told that I knew what I did and not to get smart. I could tell that the officer was not having a good day but still did not understand what I did. So I repeated my request, very politely. The officer responded that "You blew through that stop sign". At this point I realized I was not in a good situation because truth and the officer's perception of it were two different things so I kept quiet. At this point, the officer asked me for my license and registration. I responded by telling the officer that one does not require a driver's license to ride a bike nor was it necessary for a bike to be "registered" with the DMV. The officer informed me that bicycles operated in St. Petersburg were required to be licensed by the Fire Department and that I was in violation. I replied that I was an Officer in the U.S. Coast Guard on a two-year military assignment on a ship stationed in St. Pete and was not aware that I was required to obtain to register my bike with the Fire Department. The officer then asked me for the make and model year of my bike. I responded that it was a Univega Sportour-S but that I wasn't sure if bikes had model years. The officer then asked if I had proof of ownership of the bike. I asked what that would be. I was told that I could show a sales receipt or something similar. I explained that I had just recently bought the bike and that I had the receipt at home but that I wasn't carrying any proof with me. The officer said "Then how do I know you didn't steal it?" I was offended by the question and responded that I had just bought the bike and that I was an honest, law-abiding citizen. The officer then told me that they could impound my bike. I explained that I was training for a triathlon that was to be held later that week and that I needed my bike for that race on Saturday (I believe it was a Monday that this occured. The officer than said, "That's it, I'm impounding your bike" and reached out to take the bike out of my hands. I happened to be ~10 miles from home and the bike was my only means of transportation at the time so I got very nervous about this development. As I held onto the bike I asked if the officer might reconsider the decision to impound my bike since given that it was my ride home. The officer then put their hand on their billy club and told me to let go of the bike because it was impounded or there would be physical consequences. At this point I asked if the officer could call another officer to the scene because I felt my rights were being violated. The officer said sure and went to the car and called another officer via radio. The other officer appeared within minutes and the two officers huddled briefly before the second officer approached me and told me that my bike was impounded and that there was nothing I could do. At that point the officers left me on the side of the street ~10 miles from home in bicycle shoes. Luckily for me, a shipmate drove by and saw me as the police departed and gave me a ride home. Next day I called and lodged a formal complaint against the officer. I spoke to the officer's supervisor and explained the entire situation. At the end of the discussion, the supervisor was very apologetic and gave me a chit to retrieve my bike from impound. I was told that they could not remove the ticket but that I would have to take it to court. I went to court 3-4 months later and the officer did not show for the case so the ticket was dismissed.
that you can explain your story without calling us pricks and dickheads like the other fella. sorry for your bad experience...i've never heard such a thing happening up my way. you went about it the right way filing a complaint and speaking to supervisors. that would be the proper way of addressing police issues, not mindless banter. stay safe riding.
Sadly the problem is the lack of knowledge of the law on the part of that officer as well as the Sherrif's deputy in the story above.
When a law enforcement officer gives a command you comply and argue with him or her curbside or if obvious they can't be dissuaded from writing a ticket, you just accept the citation and argue with the judge at a later date. If you on't understand the command you ask politely after stopping for him or her to clarify their command so that you can comply, and you communicate this to the officer in a quiet and polite nonthreatening manner. Instead, even after reading this intensely anti-law enforcement biased article, you can imagine the consternation from any officer when these two refused to obey his order and from that single purposeful act, the whole thing escalated. The escalation was unnecessary and was induced by the two bicyclists. When an office of the law issues you a command, you comply or suffer the consequences. As it evolved, they got off without major bodily injury and no loss of their bicycles. If the order was not perfectly clear it was incumbent upon the bicyclists to dismount, await clarification from the deputy and then proceed in a peaceful manner. If counsel wants nitpick the law to try to absolve them of guilt, it does not address the core issue of their refusal to stop as the reason events progressed and escalated to the culmination of their being tasered. The municipality should bill them for the cost of recharging the taser. Willian Blake, "the eye that alters alters all." The bicyclists felt that they owned the road and the hell with anyone including law enforcement, who seemingly interfered. It is ultimately stupid, and a poor reflection to all bicyclists.
The real issue here is the type of person drawn to law enforcement... With apologies to the few officers who've posted here that do seem reasonable, the VAST majority of cops are simply pricks. It's the nature of the job, the psychological profile of an individual who is attracted to the profession is, in truth, exactly the type of personality who should never be given the power and authority that comes with the position. Of course there are exceptions and some officers are genuinely good people who want to make a difference in society but FAR too many are simply big egos with badges who look for these types of situations where they can impose their power and authority upon others. Let's not forget too, all the posters here talking about how they stopped and went to court and got things 'cleared up'... you still pissed away an afternoon in the courthouse because of an overzealous officer and likely had to pay some BS 'processing' or 'adminstrative' fee just for the privledge of being harrased by a cop and then wasting your time in court. That's the real problem here, cops think they're above reproach and the system justifies their actions and diminishes any value placed upon our time or freedom. So much for 'to protect and to serve' huh?
This is the most asinine post I have read here yet. Do yourself a favor since you are obviously a cop hater...if you ever need them....don't bother calling. You have obviously had bad experiences with cops...and that's OK...most people don't like us anyway. Just remember why you can live a nice fairly quiet life, because of all the police that keep the peace through the entire country. Unless of course you want to live in anarchy, then I suggest you go move to a different country. As I explained in my post that people who think cops have big egos are wrong...we are paid and trained to be in control of every situation we are in, and civilians take that as us being "pricks" as you would call it, big ego's, assholes, whatever you wanna make it sound like. If you havent done this job, then your opinion is taken with a grain of salt.